2024 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

[motonerd]

davefrombc You used identity politics yourself in a previous post.

All conservatives that I know condemn males competing against females and canceling Aunt Jemima. Do you condemn these?

Conservatives are against big government. Are you?

A lot of Republican politicians are claiming the Justice Department is weaponized.

 

[MtBob]

LOL most intelligent people here in the USA know to not listen to/follow advice from Hollywood people, or liberals from other countries.

And their opinions are generally worthless.

[davefrombc]

18 minutes ago, motonerd said:

davefrombc You used identity politics yourself in a previous post.

All conservatives that I know condemn males competing against females and canceling Aunt Jemima. Do you condemn these?

Conservatives are against big government. Are you?

A lot of Republican politicians are claiming the Justice Department is weaponized.

 

There were no males competing against females in Olympic boxing if that  is what you are referring to. I  think  cancelling the Aunt Jemima branding was stupid along with some of the  other "politically  correct "  changes.  I am also  against " big government"  where it interferes with things like "women's rights" because of religious theology which should have no  bearing in government.  A  lot of Republican politicians claim  the Justice Department is weaponized  when  they are not in power but  completely  change their attitude to the same statutes  and actions when  they  do  hold the reins.  Just because I am  outside your borders  doesn't  make the facts less  true.

 

[motonerd]

davefrombc, looks like the facts are on my side. I didn't say anything about the Olympics. I was referring to Lia Thomas and about 20 others.

So it's not a conspiracy theory that Democrats canceled Aunt Jemima. It's not a conspiracy theory that Republicans think the justice system is weaponized. 

I didn't say anything about you being Canadian. 

 

[MtBob]

LOL so, their masters have chosen an "old white guy" for VP, whom dems have told us for decades they despise and don't want!

[quadmaniac]

5 hours ago, MtBob said:

LOL so, their masters have chosen an "old white guy" for VP, whom dems have told us for decades they despise and don't want!

Isn’t that something! I heard he wanted tampons in boys restrooms… very lefty! (I hope that’s not true) That’s weird.. which is his “catch phrase” for the republican ticket. We’ll be giving up gas cars in 15 years if these folks win. I think she felt comfortable with an old looking white guy like Joe… since he’s leaving and all and this guy can’t outshine her. Should have picked Shapiro.

[Ulfthednar]

I try and try and try to stay out of this. Because the few people with common sense left are so overly outnumbered with the one ones that drank the government commie coolaid it's ridiculous.

EVERYTHING the Totalitarian left (with their cohorts the reptithug devils advocacy) does is shove, push and bully humans into a catge in a corner under a door mat. 

You simply cant argue with the coolaid inebriated boot licking dumbf***s who so dearly want to make sure they belong to the largest herd group possible so when the real predators (the sheepdogs and shepherds) come for blood, they might survive by nature of burrowing the furthest into the herd center with their butts in the air and heads in the sand.

The "democrat" party in this country is cracked, rotten and refuse. Its stench can be tasted 10,000 miles away.

The "republican" party isnt a lot better. That might hurt some ffeelings, but . . first, take stock of "Exactly WHAT has the republican party done" to 1. stop the left, 2. correct J6. 3. put a stop to the weaponized judiciary. 4. repeal or seriously resist all the crap the demonrats are pushing down our throats without resistance?

Ill sit here and listen while some one details everything the demonrats have done and how much effort  the reptithugs have put into stopping them.

The demonrats and reptithugs are ONE party with Two faces . . buth of them look like oprah windbags crenelated crepy pimply overstuffed butt.

Besides begging, whining and wheedling for more money that is . . 

 

That poor lone tree sure is looking pale, wan and undernourished.

Freedoms dead unless some burns the rot out.

[jmercer]

Kamala or trump who knows

[johniii]

[quadmaniac]

This election is a history maker in most aspects.

• First potential woman and first woman of color
• Leading candidate did not win any primaries and was a fill-in 90 days out
• Sitting president bowing out after a poor debate and declining health, pushed out by his party
• Prior president running again, went through the primaries and won
• Prior president/candidate being targetted by the justice system (most people would have bowed out with a deal not to run rather than face these legal battles)
• Prior president and candidate almost assasinated.

Who's going to make the movie???

I think we can all see what we got with Biden/Kamala and Trump/Pence during their administrations. 

For me, put covid aside and thinking before that, the country was better off with Trump policies. That's just the reality. I don't care about his antics so much as I do about my family's wallet, my 401K, business climate (if you work for a small or large business) immigration spiraling out of control (it's a bit much if you are in a suburb of a major city), and wars abroad. Kamala can't fix that and it will probably get worse.

[N00bie]

FACT: Trump is a complete as*****.

FACT: Trump opens his mouth before his brain.

Do you judge someone by their personality or what they do?

[quadmaniac]

2 minutes ago, N00bie said:

FACT: Trump is a complete as*****.

FACT: Trump opens his mouth before his brain.

Do you judge someone by their personality or what they do?

Maybe, but he gets it done. You can’t argue that. Great for the border, business, economy, 401k… in that role, outcomes are what’s needed. I don’t need more windmills and males going into women’s bathrooms… the democratic agenda is just not aligned or a priority for me. I think there are many agree unless they are in a public sector job with a gov type pension, sitting on the system getting free healthcare and food stamps, or already well-off regardless of who wins.

[quadmaniac]

3 hours ago, quadmaniac said:

Prior president and candidate almost assasinated.

I suppose after today this bullet point needs to be updated to “twice”.  Unreal. Some people really don’t want him to win. Scary, it’s all over the news.

Edited September 15, 2024 by quadmaniac

[quadmaniac]

 

 

[Gwbarm]

Sad situation.

[Ulfthednar]

the sad part is people were willing to vote for Biddiddlekiddie twice.

now they transferred delusional desperation to that low fashion kneepad model

[johniii]

I want secure borders, is that to much to ask?  Progressives don't care about America. 

[Ulfthednar]

Im tired of being ripped off at the store, ripped off at the pump, ripped off when I pay bills.

I'm tired of punk ne'er do nuttins saying I am privileged because I have a few things that I've worked EXCESSIVELY for while they sit and whine.

I, too am tired of the whine about migrants and the migrants come here and suck up money that was paid towards, or paid forward for citizens in this country while (having been skidrow homeless for seven years) and little better for a good long time while so many of our own (including vets) are cast to the curb and shuffled aboulike pawns for worthless politicians and SJW movements.

Pisses me off that I have paid into my OWN individual SSI fund for my entire working life (Gen X is the first generation that has done so it's entire working history) and being told a number of lies and mistruths about it. Never mind of being accused of being selfish for expecting that account be rendered in my name . . or that "my money" goes to being paid forward. Thats a fookin lie. Or that it's "not my money" - another lie.

I am tired of idiots assaulting real science and obscuring real issues (pollution/homelessness/vets/etc) addictive pharmaceuticals that mask symptoms rather than leading to healing, toxic food, toxic products and toxic trash in media and so much more. Never mind the enormous waste of m,aoney spent promoting false climate science as the truth.

Sick of lying arsr politicians that continually wrangle us into more wars while trying to blame productive people for being greedy and all the other twisted narratives out there.

 

I am sure the heck not voting for the Deceit that is Kamalalalala nor do I credit the sensibility of anyone that does.

 

I've learned that hardway that wishing in one hand doesn't EVER fill it up and if you waste time crapping in the other all you get is a handful of crap. Liberals seem to love their crap . . .

 

Edited September 27, 2024 by Ulfthednar

[JackThompson899]

2 hours ago, Ulfthednar said:

Im tired of being ripped off at the store, ripped off at the pump, ripped off when I pay bills.

I'm tired of punk ne'er do nuttins saying I am privileged because I have a few things that I've worked EXCESSIVELY for while they sit and whine.

I, too am tired of the whine about migrants and the migrants come here and suck up money that was paid towards, or paid forward for citizens in this country while (having been skidrow homeless for seven years) and little better for a good long time while so many of our own (including vets) are cast to the curb and shuffled aboulike pawns for worthless politicians and SJW movements.

Pisses me off that I have paid into my OWN individual SSI fund for my entire working life (Gen X is the first generation that has done so it's entire working history) and being told a number of lies and mistruths about it. Never mind of being accused of being selfish for expecting that account be rendered in my name . . or that "my money" goes to being paid forward. Thats a fookin lie. Or that it's "not my money" - another lie.

I am tired of idiots assaulting real science and obscuring real issues (pollution/homelessness/vets/etc) addictive pharmaceuticals that mask symptoms rather than leading to healing, toxic food, toxic products and toxic trash in media and so much more. Never mind the enormous waste of m,aoney spent promoting false climate science as the truth.

Sick of lying arsr politicians that continually wrangle us into more wars while trying to blame productive people for being greedy and all the other twisted narratives out there.

 

I am sure the heck not voting for the Deceit that is Kamalalalala nor do I credit the sensibility of anyone that does.

 

I've learned that hardway that wishing in one hand doesn't EVER fill it up and if you waste time crapping in the other all you get is a handful of crap. Liberals seem to love their crap . . .

 

I agree entirely Ulf. 
 

I wrote a long post just before this that was pretty similar to yours. (It appears to have poofed into the message board ether…)

Basically you’re tired of the symptoms.

I’m not sure if you’ve identified the disease that causes these symptoms, but if you have, you know voting doesn’t fix it… getting “The right president” in just pushes half the problem down the road 4 years, and half of the problem will progress regardless of who’s name is on the White House.

Get ready. It’s going to be a year for the record books. 

Edited September 28, 2024 by JackThompson899

[Ulfthednar]

12 hours ago, JackThompson899 said:

I agree entirely Ulf. 
 

I wrote a long post just before this that was pretty similar to yours. (It appears to have poofed into the message board ether…)

Basically you’re tired of the symptoms.

I’m not sure if you’ve identified the disease that causes these symptoms, but if you have, you know voting doesn’t fix it… getting “The right president” in just pushes half the problem down the road 4 years, and half of the problem will progress regardless of who’s name is on the White House.

Get ready. It’s going to be a year for the record books. 

You read between the lines really well . . . with the caveat of awareness that one voice gets lost in the wind. I have been all the way to rock bottom and fought my way back up honestly. I needed help a few times, and I've helped others in return.

In it's entirety the thieves do not want a face to face confrontation. They are working to leach the resilience and defiance out of this country by attrition and age.

 

They need to have the idea of individual freeom fail so thoroughly that it is decades, if not centuries before the herd considers the true possibility of Strong, Resolute and Independent individuals working cooperatively.

[JackThompson899]

2 hours ago, Ulfthednar said:

You read between the lines really well . . . with the caveat of awareness that one voice gets lost in the wind. I have been all the way to rock bottom and fought my way back up honestly. I needed help a few times, and I've helped others in return.

In it's entirety the thieves do not want a face to face confrontation. They are working to leach the resilience and defiance out of this country by attrition and age.

 

They need to have the idea of individual freeom fail so thoroughly that it is decades, if not centuries before the herd considers the true possibility of Strong, Resolute and Independent individuals working cooperatively.

“Rugged individualism” will be the death of our culture. 

[Ulfthednar]

Its hive mindedness that is tearing this country apart.

Everyone has to be the same earn the same do the same, think the same.

No one sees or hears unless it is approved by the state . . . .

Once can be a "rugged individual" and exist in the state of awareness and consideration of others, without being mislead by false altruism or misplaced compassion.

The collectivist mentality punishes each individual for the wrongs of one and the many suffer.

I have paid my own prices for my own faults or wrong doings and never in the end expected others to suffer the consequences, good or bad of my actions or choices. I might have wished too, but laying injured or stints in cells over time I had to admit that I put myself in those situations.

Yet when the time arrives and some one needs assistance that I am capable of, its rare that I do not step forward even when it is inconvenient - because in many cases I HAVE been in similar or identical situation.

From those experiences I am stronger as a person and far more aware than many how rapidly the sands of life can shift underfoot.

Conversely in many of those situations, if someone had "bailed me out" . . I would not have learned, nor learned as deeply.

At times I would have liked to blame others but at times resentfully realized and eventaully accepted that in every situation, good or bad I was the fine common denominator in my own fate. So I changed my perspective and have learned in most cases to see the course of events fairly clearly if not always in it's entirety of any direction I may choose.

While the collectivist mentality says we all suffer to pay equally, the collectivist can barely bail itself out of a half full bath tub without scores or emotional support . . . 

They can barely care for themselves for relying on others to do for them. It is not to say I am a master of anything, but experienced in many. And that is where my strength lies. I can readily adapt to most situations - while the masses are floored by what used to be simple situations because always, they look to others to fix their issues. They can't wayfind, they can't change a tire, they don't know what a dipstick is or how to mend everyday items. They are by and large in their 20s, 30s and 40s in many cases less skilled and savvy than a ten year old from the 70s or 80s never mind the 60s and before.

I would rather be the lone voice saying rise and fly, than follow and die.

 

It is the voice of individual experience that allows one to say with conviction "you can do this - you have it in you".

Not the whimpering of those who have difficulty boiling water.

Brutal, yes.

Truth however does not heed feelings or opinion.

[JackThompson899]

2 hours ago, Ulfthednar said:

Its hive mindedness that is tearing this country apart.

Everyone has to be the same earn the same do the same, think the same.

No one sees or hears unless it is approved by the state . . . .

Once can be a "rugged individual" and exist in the state of awareness and consideration of others, without being mislead by false altruism or misplaced compassion.

The collectivist mentality punishes each individual for the wrongs of one and the many suffer.

I have paid my own prices for my own faults or wrong doings and never in the end expected others to suffer the consequences, good or bad of my actions or choices. I might have wished too, but laying injured or stints in cells over time I had to admit that I put myself in those situations.

Yet when the time arrives and some one needs assistance that I am capable of, its rare that I do not step forward even when it is inconvenient - because in many cases I HAVE been in similar or identical situation.

From those experiences I am stronger as a person and far more aware than many how rapidly the sands of life can shift underfoot.

Conversely in many of those situations, if someone had "bailed me out" . . I would not have learned, nor learned as deeply.

At times I would have liked to blame others but at times resentfully realized and eventaully accepted that in every situation, good or bad I was the fine common denominator in my own fate. So I changed my perspective and have learned in most cases to see the course of events fairly clearly if not always in it's entirety of any direction I may choose.

While the collectivist mentality says we all suffer to pay equally, the collectivist can barely bail itself out of a half full bath tub without scores or emotional support . . . 

They can barely care for themselves for relying on others to do for them. It is not to say I am a master of anything, but experienced in many. And that is where my strength lies. I can readily adapt to most situations - while the masses are floored by what used to be simple situations because always, they look to others to fix their issues. They can't wayfind, they can't change a tire, they don't know what a dipstick is or how to mend everyday items. They are by and large in their 20s, 30s and 40s in many cases less skilled and savvy than a ten year old from the 70s or 80s never mind the 60s and before.

I would rather be the lone voice saying rise and fly, than follow and die.

 

It is the voice of individual experience that allows one to say with conviction "you can do this - you have it in you".

Not the whimpering of those who have difficulty boiling water.

Brutal, yes.

Truth however does not heed feelings or opinion.

it’s good that you’ve had a long road, made mistakes and learned from them.

This  makes you a stronger person, and often a more empathetic person. 

However. 

Collectivism is not the opposite of rugged individualism.

In terms of the modern context:

Collectivism is two things. 
1 - It’s communism under another brand. 
2 - It’s the lie that is shoved in our collective faces each day.

When someone proposes an insane idea (like bearded men using women’s restrooms) in the natural and real world you should normally see 15,000 people collectively say “That’s nuts, go away pervert”

Instead what we see is a scripted bot farm of 1,000+ fake user accounts all post in support of this insanity and the 15,000 people who speak out against it are censored, demonetized, swat raided and deleted.

That’s “collectivism” today. It’s the fake world pulled over our eyes to make it seem like insanity is mainstream and everybody wants it, and it’s what makes us think nobody out there has any common sense left.

Rugged Individualism is another tool in the psychological war against humanity that tells us we can each be an island and that we don’t need to actually collectivize or tribe up… it tells us we’re wrong for wanting to form large communities of like minded folk. 
 

In this way we are kept alone and isolated. This makes us easier to control, and if needed.. remove

Tribe up with like minded folk. Create parallel economies, parallel communities. Don’t rely on the matrix (as much as possible).

[Ulfthednar]

2 hours ago, JackThompson899 said:

it’s good that you’ve had a long road, made mistakes and learned from them.

This  makes you a stronger person, and often a more empathetic person. 

However. 

Collectivism is not the opposite of rugged individualism.

In terms of the modern context:

Collectivism is two things. 
1 - It’s communism under another brand. 
2 - It’s the lie that is shoved in our collective faces each day.

When someone proposes an insane idea (like bearded men using women’s restrooms) in the natural and real world you should normally see 15,000 people collectively say “That’s nuts, go away pervert”

Instead what we see is a scripted bot farm of 1,000+ fake user accounts all post in support of this insanity and the 15,000 people who speak out against it are censored, demonetized, swat raided and deleted.

That’s “collectivism” today. It’s the fake world pulled over our eyes to make it seem like insanity is mainstream and everybody wants it, and it’s what makes us think nobody out there has any common sense left.

Rugged Individualism is another tool in the psychological war against humanity that tells us we can each be an island and that we don’t need to actually collectivize or tribe up… it tells us we’re wrong for wanting to form large communities of like minded folk. 
 

In this way we are kept alone and isolated. This makes us easier to control, and if needed.. remove

Tribe up with like minded folk. Create parallel economies, parallel communities. Don’t rely on the matrix (as much as possible).

"In this way we are kept alone and isolated. This makes us easier to control, and if needed.. remove"

On that I agree.

The rest as well.

Thats exactly what I have been attempting . . . finding like or similarly minded people to work with.

I've learned a lot. And highly aware of what I don't know. Even if I get the gist of it.

There is no possible way for one person to master or know everything, 

But somewhere there a balance between hope and sheer determination.

Many follks think they are going to hide away and sit it out.

Many are of a . . well fight and die. Differentiating from fight or die of course. Fight yes . . but to which end? An installed regime that rules with its own preffered dicates or towards a society of balance.

Not equity, Balance.

There is some sort of cost for everything, 

Even the stupidly wealthy (and I dont begrudge honest earnings) must pay someone to do the labor for them, The heavy work.

Fine if they treat them at their worth and merit and value on the table and empower those folks to higher ground.

Some are strong and capable of heavy tasks and impleneting ideas.
Some folks are good with ideas yet incapable of rendering those ideas, let alone implementing them.

Some folks are better at organization or cooking (Ive learned to cook pretty fair myself if not a chef) and nothings better at the end of a day than a meal prepared with care and a cold beer to go with.

Most people have value, if unrealized that they hold within yet living within idle complacency brings forth nothing where challenges and hardship bring those ideas to fruition.

It might be that many people need the anvil of real hardship for them to realize folly.

It's hard to hold prejudice when the stranger rides in and offers a hand, or the struggling offers a hand, meager though it might be.

And thats a thing we have lost . . that understanding.

But there are no free rides in life. You pay early or when it is too late to settle and recover.

For those who believe, thats the law written into creation.

For those who have no faith or belief . . then the savage law of reality is ever harsher with nothing to grasp in the dark.

Balance. 

[Ajmboy]

Well folks, we only have a few days left and I will close this topic after the election. Main thing here...Go out and vote! Wife and I voted early on Tuesday. 😁

[quadmaniac]

I voted early also, don't want the lines on Tuesday. 

Was just looking at my news feed...the days of opponents parking their cars close to one another is over, these two are walking by each other's planes...🤣

[quadmaniac]

Glad the election did not go into overtime. Decisive victory by Trump. 

[Ulfthednar]

Weve got four years to turn the boat around.

Theyre going to fight him every step of the way.

He cant do it alone, is all Im saying.

[quadmaniac]

5 minutes ago, Ulfthednar said:

Weve got four years to turn the boat around.

Theyre going to fight him every step of the way.

He cant do it alone, is all Im saying.

He’s got the senate and looks like maybe the house holding the majority. He’ll get a few things done via executive action pretty fast. Legislatively he’ll have more ability than if the majority wasn’t in his favor in both houses. The Dems should focus on rebuilding their message and finding a new leader. They need to come towards the center more if they want to get back into power. The country has spoken, Trump won again. 

[Ulfthednar]

I think most of the dems need to take a long walk off a short pier.