2016 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

LT80 · November 7, 2016

19 hours ago, quadmaniac said:

Too funny LT80...but it's Melania not Ivanka.

Melania~ Ivanka..he's had so many..right?!

I didn't know. After all, they are very old pics. Look how young and wrinkle free Donald and Bill look.

*snicker*

**Ajmboy** · November 7, 2016

Everyone knew Hillary would be the democratic candidate, but I still can't believe that Donald made it this far. I never would have thought it when he came down the escalator. To be quite honest, I thought Romney would get back in it.

If he wins, every political mind will change.

JustRandy · November 8, 2016

13 hours ago, davefrombc said:

That meme has the revolver chambers reversed. It should show the Trump revolver loaded with 6 chambers full of dumdums.

Tomorrow will tell the tale of where the US will be headed..

I was certain Hillary would become president maybe as far back as 2 years ago. It was the only thing that made sense given the momentum of the feminist-thing. Women are more educated and more likely to work now than ever (while raising kids even), while men are tending towards playing videos games in a state of apathy. A woman president, especially after a black one, makes too much sense. I'd prefer it were a different woman, but a Clinton was their best shot for getting any woman elected for the first time ever. The Republicans should have picked Ann Coulter, but they needed a man for balance.

50% of the pop are women + those guys who want to vote female to be progressive. The other men are likely too lazy to vote, while the women are extremely motivated to assert their equality to men. I can't imagine how Hillary could lose, especially with the FBI, CNN, MSNBC, and all MSM, and all of wall street on her side (plus Soros). Her losing would be worse than Brexit.

With Brexit, all the polling showed "remain" to win. All the bookies had "remain" to win. Everyone thought "remain" would win, and look at the fallout after the surprise. Even as polls were reporting, at first, they all showed "remain" winning. "Leave" came up from behind at the very end. I watched it happen and it was almost like someone planned it to be that way to set everyone up in currency and futures trading.

JustRandy · November 8, 2016

8 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Everyone knew Hillary would be the democratic candidate, but I still can't believe that Donald made it this far. I never would have thought it when he came down the escalator. To be quite honest, I thought Romney would get back in it.

If he wins, every political mind will change.

Yup, a year ago I was sure he would stick his foot in his mouth, sooner or later, and get booted from the race. He's defied all the odds so far.

davefrombc · November 9, 2016

It's looking like by about February / March I'm going to get to say to my American friends " I told you so ". Trump will prove to be Trump to the detriment of America.

JustRandy · November 9, 2016

38 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

It's looking like by about February / March I'm going to get to say to my American friends " I told you so ". Trump will prove to be Trump to the detriment of America.

What do you think will happen?

I think Yellen at the fed will figure it's a good time to crash the economy by raising rates, since she won't have to worry about making Hillary look good anymore.

It could go down like with Hoover in 1929... the fed raised rates and crashed the market while Hoover instituted tariffs that sent trade down and then raised taxes to pay down the debt. It was a complete disaster.

When the Wall Street Crash of 1929 struck less than eight months after he took office, Hoover tried to combat the ensuing Great Depression in the United Stateswith large-scale government public works projects such as the Hoover Dam, and calls on industry to keep wages high. He reluctantly approved the Smoot–Hawley Tariff, which sent foreign trade spiralling down. He believed it was essential to balance the budget despite falling tax revenue, so he raised the tax rates. The economy kept falling and unemployment rates rose to about 25%. This downward spiral, plus his support for prohibition policies that had lost favor, set the stage for Hoover's overwhelming defeat in 1932 by Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt, who promised a New Deal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

You could be right, but I'm still glad Trump won.

**Ajmboy** · November 9, 2016

At the end of the day, the voters have spoken and landed a major F/U to Obama, Clinton, and the establishment. All that hype, all those polls, they need to take a look at themselves and realize the majority of the country is not with them.

Big history moment. Trump will have the house and senate and able to get his agenda across more than Hillary would have been able to.

I think most people did not see this coming and are waking up in shock...

davefrombc · November 9, 2016

7 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

At the end of the day, the voters have spoken and landed a major F/U to Obama, Clinton, and the establishment. All that hype, all those polls, they need to take a look at themselves and realize the majority of the country is not with them.

Big history moment. Trump will have the house and senate and able to get his agenda across more than Hillary would have been able to.

I think most people did not see this coming and are waking up in shock...

I think the biggest shock is yet to come after he is inaugurated... I'm confident I'll get to say " I told you so " before his first year is out .... Appalachia and the rust belt will be first to learn he cannot deliver his promises to them.

JustRandy · November 9, 2016

10 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

At the end of the day, the voters have spoken and landed a major F/U to Obama, Clinton, and the establishment. All that hype, all those polls, they need to take a look at themselves and realize the majority of the country is not with them.

Big history moment. Trump will have the house and senate and able to get his agenda across more than Hillary would have been able to.

I think most people did not see this coming and are waking up in shock...

I'm not sure the majority have spoken. The popular vote looks like 47% for Trump and 48% for Clinton (about 200k difference). Plus, probably lots of minorities couldn't find the motivation to vote or weren't allowed to vote. There are more registered Dems than republicans. I think the Trump supporters were more determined to vote than Hillary supporters.

**Ajmboy** · November 12, 2016

Election is over, closing topic.

**Ajmboy** · January 15, 2017

Had to unlock this topic because the funny news just keeps coming...lol! Latest SNL below..funny stuff.

JustRandy · January 15, 2017

Yeah, we shouldn't miss such a golden opportunity for a steady-stream of comedy by the whiz himself

quadmaniac · January 15, 2017

2 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

Yeah, we shouldn't miss such a golden opportunity for a steady-stream of comedy by the whiz himself

Lol...that is true! It's definitely going to be interesting after the inauguration, starting with the inauguration...lucky news networks and twitter!

JustRandy · January 15, 2017

1 hour ago, quadmaniac said:

Lol...that is true! It's definitely going to be interesting after the inauguration, starting with the inauguration...lucky news networks and twitter!

Lucky for everyone but cnn

Stephen Colbert is making a big splash as well

In one of his videos he sincerely thanked Trump for the easy material. It's gonna be YUGE! Bigly style!

LT80 · January 15, 2017

This just in::: After tallying 138% of the vote, Hillary wins!

Who knows Davefrombc, American employers are thinking positive and Trump has saved jobs before he's even pres.

JustRandy · January 15, 2017

47 minutes ago, LT80 said:

This just in::: After tallying 138% of the vote, Hillary wins!

Are we sure they counted all the deceased votes? Just because someone dies is no reason to lose their right to vote.

quadmaniac · January 15, 2017

1 hour ago, JustRandy said:

Are we sure they counted all the deceased votes? Just because someone dies is no reason to lose their right to vote.

Yes, they are in the same bucket with the illegal alien votes...

JustRandy · January 15, 2017

14 minutes ago, quadmaniac said:

Yes, they are in the same bucket with the illegal alien votes...

Bucket? Oh you mean boxtruck. Dang autocorrect

davefrombc · January 15, 2017

On the other side of the coin..... If you remove the years of fake news and false accusations against Hillary Clinton; remove the innuendo that Comey made by announcing in days before the general election of further investigation of e-mail that proved to contain no damaging evidence of wrongdoing by her, and the interference by the Russians under Putin in the campaigns and release of innuendo and more false claims against Clinton, you'd most likely have seen a very different election result .. We'll see down the road how true the allegations of Trump's misdeeds during a trip T Russia turn out.. Personally, I rather suspect they're true..... The GOP got their majorities in both houses , and will have it on the Surpreme Court after Trump's inauguration.. The country is being handed to the ERW of the Republicans and a man who, by most observers outside of the US and most Americans not buffaloed by his rhetoric, is totally unfit for the job.

We'll see whose predictions for the Trump Presidency turn out to be on point. I'll be very surprised if Trump lasts one year, let alone 4, ,and I don't think Pence will be much of an improvement when he takes over to finish the term.

I also hope for the good of both our countries that I am proven wrong.

JustRandy · January 16, 2017

40 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

We'll see down the road how true the allegations of Trump's misdeeds during a trip T Russia turn out..

What's the ramifications of the russia thing?

I kinda think Trump would have lost if it had been anybody but Hillary.

davefrombc · January 16, 2017

1 hour ago, JustRandy said:

I kinda think Trump would have lost if it had been anybody but Hillary.

Most likely. Far too many believe all the allegations the ERW of the GOP have made against her over the years; even though there has never been an indictment , let alone a conviction, for any wrongdoing by her. She has been and is still very unpopular because of the constant barrage of unfounded allegations against her.

Ramifications of the Russia thing? If it is true that Putin has tapes proving the allegations against him, and possibly a lot more in shady business dealings, it could give them a great deal of leverage on him. Trump is a narcissist by all accounts . . He doesn't like to look bad. In my opinion he doesn't know how to tell the truth .. Everything he says is embellished. He constantly flip flops in his stance on nearly every subject , depending on his audience of the moment.

If anyone cares to search on Trump's business dealings and the number of lawsuits against him alleging wrongdoing in his business practices, they should be able to get some idea how he will handle his Presidency....I really don't like to see someone I think acts too much like a petulant 4 year old holding the nuclear codes.

On anotheer subject .. As far as voter fraud and manipulating goes .. There has never been any proof of widespread voter fraud, or voter fraud actually swaying an election .. I've seen more GOP supporters convicted of attempted fraud than I've seen of Dems doing it .. I'm sure there is some attempted by supporters of both parties; but none successful in swaying an election ; with the exception of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

Edited January 16, 2017 by davefrombc

JustRandy · January 16, 2017

7 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

She has been and is still very unpopular because of the constant barrage of unfounded allegations against her.

I wouldn't say they are all unfounded. A lot of people don't like her because she's a Clinton. You have to figure Baby Boomers were in their prime with Bill and he made Rush Limbaugh popular. A lot of people are unhappy with career-politicians and none more epitomizes that than a Clinton.

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Ramifications of the Russia thing? If it is true that Putin has tapes proving the allegations against him, and possibly a lot more in shady business dealings, it could give them a great deal of leverage on him.

Putin will have leverage on Trump? What would Putin make Trump do?

With friendship comes leverage. If you and I decide to go fishing, there's no doubt I could influence where we fish. But so what? If we're friends, all we really wanna do is fish and have fun. How many guys sit in boats together and manage not to throw the other guy overboard? I guess I'm saying I don't understand that the big deal is.

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Trump is a narcissist by all accounts . . He doesn't like to look bad. In my opinion he doesn't know how to tell the truth .. Everything he says is embellished. He constantly flip flops in his stance on nearly every subject , depending on his audience of the moment.

If anyone cares to search on Trump's business dealings and the number of lawsuits against him alleging wrongdoing in his business practices, they should be able to get some idea how he will handle his Presidency....I really don't like to see someone I think acts too much like a petulant 4 year old holding the nuclear codes.

Yeah, he's a narcissist. A little more than most presidents.

I don't know much about the lawsuits. I'm sure he will step on toes. He's not going to use nukes. He's a narcissist, remember? How's he going to look good with the world in ashes? He's going to do the thing that he thinks will make him look like the best president ever.

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On anotheer subject .. As far as voter fraud and manipulating goes .. There has never been any proof of widespread voter fraud, or voter fraud actually swaying an election .. I've seen more GOP supporters convicted of attempted fraud than I've seen of Dems doing it .. I'm sure there is some attempted by supporters of both parties; but none successful in swaying an election ; with the exception of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

I have no idea. I was just being funny. Search for voter fraud and it's all jokes at the democrat's expense.

davefrombc · January 16, 2017

13 minutes ago, JustRandy said:

I wouldn't say they are all unfounded. A lot of people don't like her because she's a Clinton. You have to figure Baby Boomers were in their prime with Bill and he made Rush Limbaugh popular. A lot of people are unhappy with career-politicians and none more epitomizes that than a Clinton.

Putin will have leverage on Trump? What would Putin make Trump do?

With friendship comes leverage. If you and I decide to go fishing, there's no doubt I could influence where we fish. But so what? If we're friends, all we really wanna do is fish and have fun. How many guys sit in boats together and manage not to throw the other guy overboard? I guess I'm saying I don't understand that the big deal is.

There is a tremendous difference between friends going fishing,hunting or participating any other sport or activity, and politicians dealing in international affairs. Those politicians decide what direction the country is going in with respect to business and influence . Friends out fishing or hunting don't have the potential to throw the world into a war or disastrous trade laws.

I have friends who differ greatly with me in views on racism, immigrants and "liberal / conservative" views .. We remain friends and agree to differ in our views.. just as I offer to help others in forums where I can without any regard to their social views.

What bothers me most with so many on both extremes especially , and far too many that are more moderate , is that the extremes refuse to consider anything that doesn't some from their sites that support their views , and so many in the middle don't take the time to sort out the truth from all the propaganda half truths and outright lies put out by those on the far sides. The years of Clinton bashing and the 8 years of Obama's administration are prime examples of far too much propaganda and far too little looking for the truth. That barrage from the far right and the Extreme Right Wing is what has led to the situation today where people are so badly divided; and somebody who never should even have gotten out of the bottom of the primary is going to become your President .

quadmaniac · January 16, 2017

At the end of the day, I have a $6000 a year deductible on my medical plan I didn't have before Obamacare. Same out of pocket premiums, same big company sponsored medical so why so much different and going up every year since ACA?. Everyone I talk to is pissed about the medical. I used to go to the doctor and have a $25 copay, now I get a "coinsurance" $65 bill plus extra, extra...whatever they decide to code..lol.

Yes Comey came out with the claim at the end, but what really started making it turn worse for her was all the news coverage at the end on increasing premiums for the ACA which reminded everyone that they pay more with a democrat in the office and the ACA in place. When you hit someone's pocket, you dont get their vote. It's always been like that with the middle class. I do not in no manner agree with paying more so we can insure more people. This is a capitalistic society and it needs to stay like that. Work hard and get rewarded, don't work...don't expect much. Take care of your sick, elderly, veterans, children and maybe help some single parents in need. The rest go get a job.

There has to be something said for all these companies agreeing to invest in the US before Trump is even president, because they know its going to be more corporate friendly and that creates jobs, not the government.

Now back to the funny stuff...

JustRandy · January 16, 2017

24 minutes ago, davefrombc said:

There is a tremendous difference between friends going fishing,hunting or participating any other sport or activity, and politicians dealing in international affairs. Those politicians decide what direction the country is going in with respect to business and influence . Friends out fishing or hunting don't have the potential to throw the world into a war or disastrous trade laws.

I have friends who differ greatly with me in views on racism, immigrants and "liberal / conservative" views .. We remain friends and agree to differ in our views.. just as I offer to help others in forums where I can without any regard to their social views.

What's the difference in friends going hunting and trusting each other with guns and friends trusting each other with nukes?

Does Putin seem so bad to you?

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The years of Clinton bashing and the 8 years of Obama's administration are prime examples of far too much propaganda and far too little looking for the truth. That barrage from the far right and the Extreme Right Wing is what has led to the situation today where people are so badly divided; and somebody who never should even have gotten out of the bottom of the primary is going to become your President .

The people have been divided for a long time, but this time they had a lot invested in the election. Male vs female, right vs left, businessman vs politician, nationalism vs globalism,,, it was all on the line this time. Trump is even the first real threat to abortion since Roe v Wade. It's like Boom, one swoop and everything changed. So, the people haven't changed... it's was the extreme polarization of the candidates this time. What seems strange to me is this sort of thing is in the air. Brexit then Trump. Who's next?

I've noticed wherever I go (news sites, financial sites, youtube, atvs, bikes, whatever) it seems to be dominated by conservatives. How is it that more people voted for Hillary when I rarely see a Hillary supporter? Do liberals not get online? Where are they?

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What bothers me most with so many on both extremes especially , and far too many that are more moderate , is that the extremes refuse to consider anything that doesn't some from their sites that support their views , and so many in the middle don't take the time to sort out the truth from all the propaganda half truths and outright lies put out by those on the far sides.

That's people in general. No one wants to be wrong once they've made their mind up about something. When I read news, I check the comments. Sometimes I skip the article and just read the comments. The comments are what validates the truthfulness of the news.

LT80 · January 16, 2017

Dave, I deeply respect your opinion but may I say that you obviously did plenty of homework on Trump but I don't think you may have the same with Hillary. I'm sure I could be wrong.

Allow me to explain like this please: The wife hated trump. I told her that I believed in educating yourself on both candidates and vote as you see fit.

So she did. She looked up Clinton and Trump like a FBI agent. No rhetoric he said- she said just what she considered truth.

To sum it up, (as usual) there was a lesser of the evils. Trump. I was proud of her. Not for who but for the work she put into both sides.

We'll see is correct statement for all.

So anyway... horse goes into a bar. the bartender says: hey buddy why the long face...

davefrombc · January 16, 2017

1 hour ago, LT80 said:

Dave, I deeply respect your opinion but may I say that you obviously did plenty of homework on Trump but I don't think you may have the same with Hillary. I'm sure I could be wrong.

Not hard to "do homework on Trump" when you see him flip flopping , see the   long list of companies in court with him, and knowing   of one company here is BC that was victim of his shorting on paying in full on a contract and the company not having enough resources to take him on in court.

As far as Hillary is concerned, I don't agree with all her stances, in some things she's more hawkish than I'd like to see. I do   remember the Bill Clinton years, and I do catch the news regularly and see where she has stood on issues while she was Secretary of State. I've also read all the accusations of the ERW against the Clinton Foundation and her   handling of Benghazi. I have found nothing that shows anything not on the up and up   on the Foundation and how it handles the charity, and   I'm sure you   would also admit there really was   nothing she could have done directly about Benghazi and the loss of the diplomats.. She could only go on the information   given to her by those more directly involved... There is also the question of the financing for the embassies and troops.. The GOP controlled cuts to the funding for them   is also to blame   for the less than adequate security.. And, as I said before , despite all the accusations put out by the ERW and the millions of taxpayers money wasted by them   on a witch hunt trying to find something , anything they can charge her with , they have come up with nothing ..... They managed to severely damage her in public opinion, but they did not find her doing anything illegal. I cannot say the same for Trump.

I live only about 10 miles north of the BC / Wa. border, have friends and family in the US, and watch news services from   both local, national, and American sources, with a smattering of BBC and international news, so I stay reasonably up on what's going on. It also helps to have many net friends in both Canada and several US states , as well as some international friends in both Europe and Asia.

Randy , I too see far more out there from "conservatives" than from "liberals", in fact the conservatives I see the most from are the ERW.. They are the ones trying everything they can to stop anything they equate with "socialism" whether it is in the interest of the country or not .. They cannot take themselves out of the old cold war and the rhetoric of those days. Moderate conservatives seem to be afraid to speak up against the radicals, maybe for fear of being branded with that terrible "liberal or socialist / progressive" name they demonize the Dems with. When you talk to people in China, Malaysia and Europe, you tend to get a different perspective on how they live and view their governments than what you get from the ERW's ravings.

davefrombc · January 16, 2017

Randy , to see the difference between seeing Putin as a hunting / fishing friend or one you can trust at all just search on " Putin polonium " if you don't recall events in the UK in 2006 that Putin was accused of ordering.

quadnut20 · January 16, 2017

22 hours ago, Ajmboy said:

Had to unlock this topic because the funny news just keeps coming...lol! Latest SNL below..funny stuff.

This was classic !!

JustRandy · January 16, 2017

11 hours ago, davefrombc said:

Randy , I too see far more out there from "conservatives" than from "liberals", in fact the conservatives I see the most from are the ERW.. They are the ones trying everything they can to stop anything they equate with "socialism" whether it is in the interest of the country or not .. They cannot take themselves out of the old cold war and the rhetoric of those days. Moderate conservatives seem to be afraid to speak up against the radicals, maybe for fear of being branded with that terrible "liberal or socialist / progressive" name they demonize the Dems with. When you talk to people in China, Malaysia and Europe, you tend to get a different perspective on how they live and view their governments than what you get from the ERW's ravings.

I think you're pretty close to hitting the nail on the head there.

https://www.quantcast.com/zerohedge.com#demographicsCard

https://www.quantcast.com/salon.com#demographicsCard

https://www.quantcast.com/politico.com?country=US#demographicsCard

https://www.quantcast.com/nydailynews.com?country=US#demographicsCard

All overwhelmingly male and of the baby boomer generation. What can explain that?